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 Post subject: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:38 am 
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I just realized that teams are now affected if one player on the team gets a bounty. This is really too far.

With all your limits on cash transfers, teammates can't help each other pay bounties, but they all still pay the price? That's not right. Now all you're doing is making the game harder, not more fair.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:21 am 
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Valience wrote:
I just realized that teams are now affected if one player on the team gets a bounty. This is really too far.

With all your limits on cash transfers, teammates can't help each other pay bounties, but they all still pay the price? That's not right. Now all you're doing is making the game harder, not more fair.


Nope, technically they are not affected. The bounties are based on the highest scored player. So if your player who got the bounty took a huge loan, his score is based on that loan amount and if that put him above you, all of your team is a target, just like before. ANd I tried to get PJ to let the team get effected by a team mate with a bounty, but he Veto'd that idea a long time ago.

Lets see, you can still do IGB transfers of a 100 BIll... whats the problem, he only had 95 bill in bounty. Whats stopping you there?

Your looking for an excuse to whine about the limits on cash transfers. Its not going away, you need to train your teammate not to take huge loans they can't pay before they get a big bounty.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:15 am 
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Your looking for an excuse to whine about the limits on cash transfers. Its not going away, you need to train your teammate not to take huge loans they can't pay before they get a big bounty.


Actually, Tarnus, I was whining about bounties, NOT cash transfers. Please try to be a little less accusative. I really do think this is unfair.

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Nope, technically they are not affected. The bounties are based on the highest scored player.


Again, that would be fair, if the highest scored player could help pay that loan. I understand why you did that, and at the time I was for it because that was the case. It stopped teams from having a small player going around getting bounties that the big guy could pay off easily.

What you didn't understand was that I was arguing for a change to the bounties rather than a change to the team cash, but either one would work.

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I tried to get PJ to let the team get effected by a team mate with a bounty, but he Veto'd that idea a long time ago


Well, if so, I am grateful to PJ. ;)

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if that put him above you, all of your team is a target, just like before.


Again, this is not right! It is not fair to punish the whole team when there's nothing the other team members can do to change the situation because of the limit on cash transfers.

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you can still do IGB transfers of a 100 BIll


Tarnus... you're so cynical! I'm not complaining because it would benefit me to have this changed right now. You're correct; these arguments don't apply this early in the game because the IGB does allow less restricted cash transfers. I'm making this argument because if it were to happen later in the game, it would be bad.

You've got to get through you're head that even though it might be something that happens in the game that makes me think of a problem, when I report it, it is not to make this immediately easier for me within the game; it's to stop the same problem from happening in the future.

Anyway, my point is that as you change the game, a new change might screw with something you did in the past, requiring you to go back and fix it. That's what I think the case is here, and I'm trying to point it out.


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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:33 am 
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But its not really a problem. It has nothing to do with the bounty and everything to do with a loan. Only the player with the bounty is effected by the fed bounty not the rest of the team. Loans are going to be a whole lot more restricted in the future. A player that takes a huge loan is going to be subject to planetary confiscation etc, if at least 10% of that loan is not paid daily.

Just like the housing crisis, live within your means, don't borrow what you can't afford to pay back when the loan is due. Too many players use that for a quick boost, and many times it will bite you in the butt if your not careful.

While I saw you as whining (you were) Its seems like its always due to the limited ability to help a team mate that got in trouble. Sometimes if a team mate gets in trouble, you just got to let them learn their lesson, its like burning your finger on a hot fire. You won't really know till it happens to you. If I am attacking, you can guarantee I won't haver a loan to hinder me, just in case I get a bounty for something silly.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:44 am 
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Ok, fair enough, but...

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Only the player with the bounty is effected by the fed bounty not the rest of the team.


This doesn't seem to be the case. While it doesn't restrict ports, it does open a teammate up to attack from bigger players that normally wouldn't be able to attack them.

But wait... maybe he/she does still have a loan, and that is why the teammate is open to attack from bigger players!

Ah ha! So, if this is the case, once again, you are right and I am wrong.

That was actually the whole issue that I was posting about. lol... I didn't realize that until just now. I am glad I posted anyway, because otherwise I probably wouldn't have realized this.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:46 am 
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Valience wrote:
Ok, fair enough, but...

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Only the player with the bounty is effected by the fed bounty not the rest of the team.


This doesn't seem to be the case. While it doesn't restrict ports, it does open a teammate up to attack from bigger players that normally wouldn't be able to attack them.

But wait... maybe he/she does still have a loan, and that is why the teammate is open to attack from bigger players!

Ah ha! So, if this is the case, once again, you are right and I am wrong.

That was actually the whole issue that I was posting about. lol... I didn't realize that until just now. I am glad I posted anyway, because otherwise I probably wouldn't have realized this.



Man I hate being right :)



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:48 am 
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lol :P

So you see I was not in fact complaining about the transfers so much as the bounties. Since the player was opened up to attack from a bigger player, I thought it was the bounty, but it was really the "hidden" bounty score of the biggest player on the team.

Thanks again for making me realize this.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:50 am 
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Valience wrote:
lol :P

So you see I was not in fact complaining about the transfers so much as the bounties. Since the player was opened up to attack from a bigger player, I thought it was the bounty, but it was really the "hidden" bounty score of the biggest player on the team.

Thanks again for making me realize this.


:) LOL, its a Saturday... you don't have to be on your game at the start of the weekend ;)



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:51 pm 
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Hey! He doesn't have a loan. Hmm...



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:09 pm 
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Valience wrote:
Hey! He doesn't have a loan. Hmm...


Well if your Talking about Anarchy, he has a fed bounty. Looks like he paid off his loan, but with the fed bounty he can't get to ports either.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:09 pm 
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And if it was Anarchy, he had approched me for a loan to pay off his bounty. I of course informed him that if he is going to attack, then be aware of the consequences and sorry, but no loan from me.

He replyed that he was fully aware of the consequences, but 2 other players did not play ball???????

Just my 2 cents worth. :)



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:42 pm 
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Alf wrote:
And if it was Anarchy, he had approched me for a loan to pay off his bounty. I of course informed him that if he is going to attack, then be aware of the consequences and sorry, but no loan from me.

He replyed that he was fully aware of the consequences, but 2 other players did not play ball???????

Just my 2 cents worth. :)



The way I look at it, is unless your on the same team, everyone else is open season. Its been the problem with all these silly alliances. Just step up and attack anyone not on your team. Makes for a more fun game if there are less alliances and more attacking :)



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:37 pm 
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lol, I'm not getting into any of this, nor am I saying it was or wasn't Anarchy, but I am saying that Player A who would not normally have been able to send a spy to Player B's planet without a bounty did so. I also know that Player C, a teammate of Player B, has/had at the time a bounty, but not a loan.



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:54 pm 
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Valience wrote:
lol, I'm not getting into any of this, nor am I saying it was or wasn't Anarchy, but I am saying that Player A who would not normally have been able to send a spy to Player B's planet without a bounty did so. I also know that Player C, a teammate of Player B, has/had at the time a bounty, but not a loan.


Well Player C with a Bounty cant use ports due to his bounty. Now if Player C trasnfered credits from his bounties planet, he may very well have managed to drop a spy to player Bs planet not knowing he had one. So player A was able to drop spys on player C due to the bounty with no problem. See that easy. :) So easy even an educated fossil can understand :)



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 Post subject: Re: Teams affected by bounties
PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:33 pm 
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Actually Player C can use Alliance Ports but the prices are 10 times anywhere else. ;)



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